Pablo Viana says: (8:45:09 PM)
Hi Ann,
Pablo Viana says: (8:45:23 PM)
sorry for the late.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (8:46:02 PM)
no problem, it isn't that late for me =) Just you =(
Pablo Viana says: (8:46:37 PM)
:). That's ok. I prefer to stay late than wake up early :)
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (8:47:00 PM)
me too
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (8:47:16 PM)
i am not a morning person....i am sure you could tell that considering i never got to UCR before 10
Pablo Viana says: (8:47:56 PM)
No one but Jason used to go before 10am
Pablo Viana says: (8:48:04 PM)
I am looking for the things you asked me.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (8:48:09 PM)
thank you =)
Pablo Viana says: (8:52:32 PM)
Ann, can I answer by here?
Pablo Viana says: (8:53:04 PM)
Or do you prefer by email?
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (8:53:39 PM)
here is fine, the only problem is that I can't try it out. I am at home on my lap top. But i think that will be okay
Pablo Viana says: (8:54:15 PM)
Firstly, let me clarify about the 17k configurations experiment...
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (8:54:40 PM)
okay, because some of the input/output files i did not understand
Pablo Viana says: (8:55:59 PM)
You are right, when read the file res_keogh_17k.txt. You know the remaing configs that were selected. Your question is how to correlate that number with the original configuration number
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (8:56:11 PM)
yes
Pablo Viana says: (8:56:37 PM)
I assume you have the file select_out17k.sci , right?
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (8:56:59 PM)
just a sec, let me log on to school so I can look at it....
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (8:57:52 PM)
yes
Pablo Viana says: (8:58:25 PM)
this is routine in Scilab to prune the configuration space from 17k down to 26 (in this case) configs, which are the ones that were best for at least one application. Do u see what I mean?
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (8:58:41 PM)
yes, that is what I figured it did
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (8:59:21 PM)
and selected_norm_17k.txt has 26 lines, so those are the 26 configs
Pablo Viana says: (9:01:49 PM)
Okay, when run this routine it outputs the 26 selected configs. You just have to note down them. the first is config 6, the second is 14, and so on. The 26th is the last, which is the config 15342
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:02:25 PM)
oh, i see. When i run the script, scilab will print that information to the screen
Pablo Viana says: (9:02:28 PM)
what I just said is the output on the screen of the routine
Pablo Viana says: (9:03:07 PM)
The txt file that you just mentioned is the normalized energy of the selected configs.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:03:13 PM)
got it
Pablo Viana says: (9:03:15 PM)
right
Pablo Viana says: (9:04:38 PM)
notice that this first prune step was needed due to the huge entry of 17k. In our first experiment, with 18 configs (single-level) this pre-step is not necessary, though
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:04:49 PM)
got it.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:04:52 PM)
one question...
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:05:27 PM)
I remember that we had an ordering of the configurations, but I don't remember what that ordering was so I don't know how to figure out what configuration 4 is for example
Pablo Viana says: (9:06:27 PM)
config 4 in the 17k?
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:06:33 PM)
yeah
Pablo Viana says: (9:06:41 PM)
let me see in here
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:07:14 PM)
i guess that isn't really necessary cuz i am not going to have to do the pruning step, but I am just curious anyway
Pablo Viana says: (9:08:00 PM)
thats ok, it is just a matter of finding the ordered xls
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:08:22 PM)
oh yeah, i forgot about that
Pablo Viana says: (9:09:04 PM)
The order was established by your data files
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:09:27 PM)
oh yeah! i know where those are...hang on
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:10:29 PM)
I found it.
Pablo Viana says: (9:10:41 PM)
Nice
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:10:46 PM)
okay, so now I get that part =)
Pablo Viana says: (9:11:33 PM)
Good. Now can we turn to the single-level turn :)?
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:11:42 PM)
one more question...
Pablo Viana says: (9:11:53 PM)
sure
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:12:19 PM)
actually, maybe 2 more questions. what is the configs_17k.txt file for?
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:12:57 PM)
and configs_26out_of17k.txt
Pablo Viana says: (9:15:58 PM)
good question. Those files give to the clustering algorithm the layout of the configurations in the 2D space. It guides the agorithm about the merging of adjacent configs.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:16:33 PM)
that is all that I remembered about those files. if it isn't important for me to really understand them, then that explanation is fine
Pablo Viana says: (9:17:03 PM)
for example, remember the 18 configs layout, where you organize in a table of 3 columns and 6 lines the configs that have parameters in common?
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:17:20 PM)
yes
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:17:39 PM)
i see, this has to do with merging of configurations
Pablo Viana says: (9:18:50 PM)
Exactly. So, the configs_17k.txt is not used any more, becase not every config is used. Instead, you must use the configs_26out_of17k.txt
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:19:14 PM)
ah...i see how
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:19:28 PM)
the configs_17k.txt is used for the exhaustive algorithm
Pablo Viana says: (9:19:42 PM)
Notice that the layout may impact on the final merging, but it did not really changes the quality of the result
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:19:57 PM)
that is interesting
Pablo Viana says: (9:20:12 PM)
Yes, it would be useful if we consider the exaustive
Pablo Viana says: (9:20:50 PM)
The layout is just a hand that we give to the algorithm to help it out
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:21:00 PM)
got it =)
Pablo Viana says: (9:21:45 PM)
I tried once to make a layout simply putting one config under the other, and the outcome was ok
Pablo Viana says: (9:22:04 PM)
So, dont worry about the right position.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:22:17 PM)
okay
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:22:52 PM)
i assume when we start talking about the single level stuff, you will have the correct input file for that right so I won't have to make it on my own =)
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:23:05 PM)
although it is only 18 configs, I want to make sure it is the same as the DAC stuff
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:23:23 PM)
btw, i will send you an email this weekend telling you what frank and I are working on
Pablo Viana says: (9:24:11 PM)
good. I'll be waiting for the email.
Pablo Viana says: (9:24:44 PM)
Okay, let me send you the file that you want
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:24:53 PM)
ok
Pablo Viana says: (9:26:10 PM)
If I am not wrong, the 18 configs experiment separates I$ and D$, huh?
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:26:17 PM)
yes
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:27:21 PM)
so i would run the clusting algorithm twice..once on the I$ data and once on the D$ data, right?
Pablo Viana says: (9:27:38 PM)
yes
Pablo Viana says: (9:28:11 PM)
Just curious: have you got a headset?
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:28:21 PM)
sorry =(
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:28:26 PM)
that would help if I did
Pablo Viana says: (9:29:00 PM)
maybe would be nice. I have one down here. Thats ok, no problem.
Pablo Viana says: (9:29:46 PM)
About the 18 configs, you need to to run the routine "bottom_up_18.sci"
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:30:32 PM)
i don't have that one
Pablo Viana says: (9:32:08 PM)
I am going to email you right now. It also needs the input files "percent_i.txt" and "percent_d.txt"which contains the normalized energy increase compared to the optimal config. It is equivalent to the normalized input files of the 17k experiment
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:32:33 PM)
i see
Pablo Viana says: (9:33:13 PM)
finally, you're gonna need the "configs_18.txt" with the layout. Ok, please hang on while I send you the files...
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:34:06 PM)
no problem, not going anywhere =) (well, i am going to go and brush my teeth shortly but that is it)
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:35:48 PM)
brb
Pablo Viana says: (9:37:08 PM)
I assume 'brb' means "being right back". Am I right?
Pablo Viana says: (9:40:28 PM)
ainda escovando os dentes? :D
Pablo Viana says: (9:41:11 PM)
I just sent you the email
Pablo Viana says: (9:47:43 PM)
are you still there? 8-)
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:50:13 PM)
yes, brb means "be right back" (you were close enough)
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:50:50 PM)
i got your email
Pablo Viana says: (9:51:33 PM)
wow! I was close :) It was my first time with this term
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:51:52 PM)
good guess =)
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:52:52 PM)
okay, the the percent files have 1 line for each configuration and each entry on each line is for a particular benchmark right?
Pablo Viana says: (9:53:17 PM)
right
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:53:35 PM)
and the numbers in configs_18.txt match up with the table in the DAC paper
Pablo Viana says: (9:54:08 PM)
yep
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:54:50 PM)
cool, i think i got it then
Pablo Viana says: (9:55:37 PM)
beautiful.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:56:03 PM)
thank you very much for the help =)
Pablo Viana says: (9:57:21 PM)
you're very welcome. I am proud you guys are still interested in the work we have done
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:57:35 PM)
and i will definitely send you an email on what we are doing. it is on phased based reconfiguration. so the configuration changes during the run of the application. actually, let me email you my DAC paper and then i will send you an email later with more details
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (9:58:23 PM)
no, I should be thanking you for coming up here to work with me. your few months up here has lead to so many ideas and many more papers to come. this is the most productive collaboration =)
Pablo Viana says: (10:00:39 PM)
I am very grateful to your collaboration. For sure, if I had not gone to UCR o work with you guys I would never get my thesis done.
Pablo Viana says: (10:00:59 PM)
Let me see your dac submission
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:01:06 PM)
i am glad we have been so beneficial to eachother =)
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:01:10 PM)
i just sent it
Pablo Viana says: (10:02:09 PM)
surely. I hope NSF and CNPq may realize that and give us financial support to our research in the next couple years
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:02:39 PM)
i hope so. i would like to be able to visit you one day
Pablo Viana says: (10:04:21 PM)
I just dont understand how do you get time to write so many papers :). thats amazing
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:05:19 PM)
i don't know how i do it either. it really is frank pushing me that does it. i always think i don't have enough for a paper but some how we pull it off. that paper was another one of those multiple all nighers
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:06:09 PM)
the stuff I am working on right now may make for a very quick paper if the results look good
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:06:20 PM)
perhaps 2 weeks worth of work at the most
Pablo Viana says: (10:07:10 PM)
I am going to print out your paper to read this weekend
Pablo Viana says: (10:07:28 PM)
and so be updated with your work
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:08:29 PM)
sounds good. the paper really is preliminary work so there will be much more to come, but most likely not until next year since interview time will start soon and between now and then you and I have a paper and a journal to work on and I want to do a journal paper based on our DATE paper too
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:08:35 PM)
I forgot to tell you that i think =)
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:08:42 PM)
so now we have 3 papers to work on =)
Pablo Viana says: (10:08:51 PM)
Frank really motivate us to write up the papers. He is an incredible advisor.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:09:24 PM)
it is a good thing because many students don't publish nearly enough. it can be annoying at times too but i think it is worth it
Pablo Viana says: (10:11:27 PM)
I see. hey, Ann, I am in with you guys. I had a meeting thos last week to decide about my schedule next semester. I was blessed with the new timetable :D
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:11:56 PM)
awesome!
Pablo Viana says: (10:12:06 PM)
Surely I will have a confortable time to do research. Much more than this hard year
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:12:10 PM)
your school should be happy you want to do all this research and publish so much
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:12:37 PM)
I completely understand. The first quarter i taught it was very difficult and I was only teaching one class
Pablo Viana says: (10:13:07 PM)
Actually, the campus that I want to move in may be interested in these pubs.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:13:58 PM)
that is good, then the more that you have the better it will be
Pablo Viana says: (10:14:02 PM)
please, what does "multiple all nighers" mean?
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:14:48 PM)
ah, sorry =) I mean I stayed up all night (all-nighter) for many nights (multiple times)
Pablo Viana says: (10:17:58 PM)
good to know. Thanks.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:18:29 PM)
you get to learn all sorts of good things =)
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:19:00 PM)
i will keep using slang terms and you just ask when you don't know what they mean
Pablo Viana says: (10:20:13 PM)
I appreciate it :) Thanks. You know what? I am watching movies in English to exercise the spoken vocabulary
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:20:55 PM)
that is a great idea
Pablo Viana says: (10:22:10 PM)
I turn the captions on to read the words while listening the sound. So I get the real world expressions used by the americans
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:22:35 PM)
that way you won't get rusty
Pablo Viana says: (10:23:37 PM)
Talking about 'rusty', this last week I watched the movie "Cars" by Pixar.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:23:48 PM)
i haven't seen that yet, but i want to. did you like it?
Pablo Viana says: (10:24:42 PM)
Yes, sure. It is all about the Californian style of life. You'll feel it.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:25:07 PM)
i will let you know when i see it
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:25:17 PM)
i liked finding nemo
Pablo Viana says: (10:25:41 PM)
I like very much of the movies that makes me remeber of my californian times.
Pablo Viana says: (10:25:58 PM)
Finding Nemo is beautiful.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:26:32 PM)
is it a definite that you will be out here in June or is that depending on whether or not you get funding?
Pablo Viana says: (10:28:03 PM)
It is completely dependent on the fundings from the cooperation project. If we get it, I will be there.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:28:23 PM)
i will keep my fingers crossed =)
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:28:32 PM)
is Nice a definite or is that the same thing?
Pablo Viana says: (10:30:32 PM)
I am really looking forward to seeing you guys soon. Besides that, put my feet in California again is always a great experience
Pablo Viana says: (10:32:02 PM)
I'll only have a position about Nice in late February, when the grant agency anounces whether or not it is going to support me
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:32:31 PM)
i see, well, I will keep my fingers crossed on that one too =)
Pablo Viana says: (10:32:48 PM)
That is a pity. I wish to have a good project to support these travels more easely
Pablo Viana says: (10:33:17 PM)
Thank you very much for your cheering.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:33:20 PM)
i understand, it is hard to get money. i am luck that frank gets good grants
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:33:23 PM)
=)
Pablo Viana says: (10:34:49 PM)
is the usage of "cheer" okay? I just learned this term to translate a portuguese term
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:35:43 PM)
yes, you used it correctly but I am not sure if it would actually be used in that context
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:36:08 PM)
you would most likely say "thank you for cheering me on"
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:36:35 PM)
but that still isn't quite the correct response. I mean it makes sense but i don't think anyone would say it
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:36:39 PM)
lets see...
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:37:00 PM)
i don't know....I guess "thanks for the good wishes"
Pablo Viana says: (10:37:58 PM)
Okay :) That's funny.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:38:12 PM)
=)
Pablo Viana says: (10:39:01 PM)
Its hard to think in a different language. BTW, how are your French?
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:39:28 PM)
i don't know any French except for a few words. but it doesn't matter, everyone speaks english
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:39:36 PM)
i can say hello, and thank you
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:39:41 PM)
and do you speak english
Pablo Viana says: (10:43:10 PM)
Com'on. Speak the language of the country is a very exciting experience. Mainly when the native nas no knowledge about english or portuguese
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:43:56 PM)
i know, I wish i knew other languages and I have had good intentions in the past, but I just never have the time to really do it
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:44:10 PM)
i know, it is a copout
Pablo Viana says: (10:48:29 PM)
I completely understand. I never attend a language school, because I never had time. But just when I needed to go to US work with you guys, had to be day in day out studying hard.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:48:49 PM)
and you did a good job too =)
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:49:01 PM)
do you know a lot of French?
Pablo Viana says: (10:50:48 PM)
Thanks. But when I find problems to speak or understand something in english I see how much I still need to do.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:51:24 PM)
the things you don't know really are just things that you wouldn't learn unless you lived here for an extended period of time
Pablo Viana says: (10:52:05 PM)
I dont speak French. But it is something that excites me. I read something in magazines when I get a chance
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:53:02 PM)
if you get to go to France, that will motivate you to learn more =)
Pablo Viana says: (10:53:26 PM)
I like to analyze your sentences to see the structure and so use that next time. I am like a parrot :D
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:54:20 PM)
i wouldn't necessarily say that I use good english structure in the formal sense, but if you are looking for conversational english, I can help you out there =)
Pablo Viana says: (10:55:14 PM)
:). That is what I really need, Ann. The things that we cant find in books.
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:55:31 PM)
very true
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:55:41 PM)
you can sorta get it from movies
Pablo Viana says: (10:57:49 PM)
Okay, I got the "sorta" :) .
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:57:59 PM)
=)
Pablo Viana says: (10:58:58 PM)
Hey, Ann. I need to go bed. Is there something else I may help you?
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (10:59:52 PM)
it is getting pretty late for you, almost my bedtime here even. Nope, nothing else I need. thanks for the help at this late hour =) i'll talk to you again soon. Just to remind you, I will be leaving on vacation on the 21st and I won't be back until January 5th
Pablo Viana says: (11:02:14 PM)
So do I :). Talk to you soon, gnight!
anngordonross@gmail.com says: (11:02:31 PM)
gnite =)
Pablo Viana says: (11:03:05 PM)
This one I learned in "Cars" :). Bye, thanks